Archive for April, 2010

I just want to remind everyone the next meeting is on Tuesday, May 4th– not Wednesday, and second of all, to give everyone a heads-up that we will be discussing The Trinity. This is one of those things in Christianity that I sometimes try to not think about, but I firmly believe there is valuable perspective to be applied to my life through a study of The Trinity.

I’ll have a few verses/passes up later in the week after I’ve had some time to study–just wanted to give everyone a heads-up! Feel free to toss pertinent passages in the comments section or in an email to me and I’ll stick them on up here as well.


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The discussion on Murder/Killing was a tough one!  On one hand, we all agreed it was wrong to murder. Beyond the commandment in Exodus, Jesus is very explicit. However, since God also commands Israel to kill nations (Sodom & Gomorrah, Jericho, etc.) there seems to be times where if God isn’t so “pumped” about killing, He at least seems to support it as a viable course of action at times.

One thought I’d had was that many of the examples of God commanding his people to kill were sent to Israel as a nation. They were a people set apart as God’s people, and the nations they were ordered to destroy were wicked and would tempt and bring down the nation of Israel through prolonged contact. Since Christians do not have the same corporate identity Israel did back then, I’m uncertain how much that applies to us now.

We also discussed things like the death penalty, soldiers with orders to kill, police officers who kill in the line of duty. Should we doing the old “turn the other cheek” in these cases and refuse to fight? It seems natural to say an officer or soldier is only following orders, but so were the Nazi soldiers in internment camps, and that would be hard to justify.

The best we were able to come up with was that in Jesus speech in Matthew 5, he continues past murder to say that someone even harboring bitterness against someone has committed an equal sin. This brings it back to the hear and intent of one’s actions. A soldier killing to defend his country is entirely different than a person killing for personal gain. This seems nice and tidy, but of course I then wonder about people who feel very justified in their hearts they are killing in the name of God (David Koresch, Charles Manson, the modern Jewish/Palestinian warfare, etc.).

No neat summaries for us this week! At least Alehouse saw fit to grace us with Stone’s Ruination IPA to help ease us through the discussion. Next I’ll have to try and talk the bouncer next door into not threatening to tow my car every week.

Feel free to sound off and share your thoughts. We took a big swing at this topic, but certainly haven’t exhausted all thoughts on it yet.


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Wednesday the 28th will be the last time we meet on Wednesday nights.The data I collected from the survey showed Tuesday was a far more favored by (more than twice the number which preferred Wednesdays).

  • We will meet this Wednesday, April 28th
  • The following meeting will be on Tuesday, May 4th, and every Tuesday thereafter.

The 7:00pm time slot, however, will remain as nearly 90% of all survey respondents preferred to keep this as the meeting time.

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Yep, I think we outdid ourselves here, but this topic comes straight out of last Wednesday’s discussion. I have more questions than answers myself, and anyone I’ve talked to about it has vacillated between a yes and no before my eyes (much as I’ve been doing myself).

Things to consider:

  • The commandment not to kill in Exodus
  • God commanding Joshua to conquer the Canaanites and the numerous battles that ensue with God’s support (everyone remember the story of Jericho?)
  • God kills nearly everyone on earth with the flood.
  • Jesus speaks out quite strongly against murder during the Sermon on the Mount

It seems to me that the commandments of Jesus and of the Ten Commandments are a little less general than they sound. I’ve got a few ideas, but am very interested in your thoughts on the matter.

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I’m still hoping to collect more data from the survey, so take it if you haven’t yet. Although Tuesday and Thursday appear more popular than Wednesday, I’m leery of changing our established day without more data.

For this week’s topic, though, I’m delving again from the survey responses. Next up? Human Nature: essentially sinner or saints by nature? It’s a thinking topic folks, so put your thinking caps on and then come and share your thoughts and/or questions.

As I ponder this matter, I find myself turning to the first two books of Genesis to see how man was originally intended to be. Revelation 20-22, on the other hand, deals with “the end” of this world and has some interesting stuff to unpack as well.

But of course, we know the Bible has quite a bit to say about hunan sinfulness. It would be a long list indeed if I tried to list them out, but for myself, I know I’ll be taking a peek at Genesis 3 to see the fall of man,Romans 3 and Romans 5 has some good stuff too, and maybe some 1 John thrown in, but there’s really too much to even list here.

Happy hunting! Comment or leave me a message for me if you have thoughts you’d like to share with the group before Wednesday night. Otherwise, see you there!

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I’m still collecting data from the survey, so continue to take it if you haven’t already.

In the mean time, the most popular topic of choice so far has been the “21st Century Church.” This is, of course a broad topic, and I’m interested in seeing where it ends up.  One way I thought we could approach this would be to read what several churches or religious institutions say they believe the goal of the church is, and to compare similarities and differences…but more importantly, to compare what we see to the early church described in the book of Acts in the New Testament (it is a Bible study, after all!).

Feel free to hunt around and compare for yourself, but here’s a few I found to save you some hunting time. Although keep in mind, many of these pages are filled with their beliefs on a variety of issues; we’re specifically interested in their thoughts on the church itself:

And don’t forget to run through the book of Acts, especially Paul’s actions from chapter 12/13 and on, so we have something to compare these to.

See you Wednesday!

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    I’ve put together a short (5 question) survey to collect some information for Bible & Brew. Specifically, I am interested in what day/time may prove better than Wednesday evening. I also would really like to know what conversation topics everyone is most interested in discussing. So even if you don’t intend on attending often/at all, I am still very interested in your thoughts, as I am sure what interests you interests others as well.

    Click here to take survey

    Or, if that link doesn’t work, here is the URL to copy:


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